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| 21 Apr 2008 11:55:34 |
| kilowatt |
| Hello MODERATOR.? Time to stop the spammers.... |
HELLO, MODERATOR, ? Are you there.???? It is time to get rid of handbag, rolex watch frauds and XXX ads. Are you ever reading the posts, looks like you are not reading the topic about managing your members. I would be happy to post interesting items for members, but they can't see the posts for all the JUNK STUFF. Below was pasted FYI from the Google Groups Help Center site... hoping for a miracle. kw NB: "Managing your members" * How do I control who can access the new sections in my group? * How do I add members to my group? * How do I control who can post in my group? * My members are listed as non-verified. What does that mean? * Are there email addresses that can't be added to Groups? * What is a pending member? * What's the difference between an owner and a manager? * How do I invite people to my group? * How can I change a group member's settings? * How do I remove a post in my group? * How do I see a list of bouncing members in my group? * Why was my request to add or invite members flagged for review? * How do I approve pending members? * How do I ban a member from my group? * I've invited people to my group but they still haven't accepted the invitation. What can I do? * How do I transfer ownership of my group to another member? * Can I have more than one manager or owner of my group? * How do I export my group's member list? * How do I make someone a manager of my group? * How do I see a list of my group's members? * How do I change permissions for a manager? * Why was my request to add members converted to invites? * How do I approve pending messages? * Why was my request to add members denied? * I deleted myself as owner and can no longer access my group. What should I do? * How can I send someone another invitiation to my group? |
| 21 Apr 2008 15:27:03 |
| Michael A. Terrell |
| Re: Hello MODERATOR.? Time to stop the spammers.... |
kilowatt wrote: > > HELLO, MODERATOR, ? > > Are you there.???? It is time to get rid of handbag, rolex watch > frauds and XXX ads. > Are you ever reading the posts, looks like you are not reading the > topic about managing your members. > > I would be happy to post interesting items for members, but they can't > see the posts for all the JUNK STUFF. > > Below was pasted FYI from the Google Groups Help Center site... > > hoping for a miracle. This isn't a private Google Group. It is the sci.electronics.components usenet newsgroup you are using, through Google's crappy web interface. There is no moderator, and Google Groups is the major source of spam on this, and most real newsgroups. If you don't like the spam, find a real NNTP news server and install filtering software. The list below only applies to private, moderated, Google Groups > NB: "Managing your members" > > * How do I control who can access the new sections in my group? > * How do I add members to my group? > * How do I control who can post in my group? > * My members are listed as non-verified. What does that mean? > * Are there email addresses that can't be added to Groups? > * What is a pending member? > * What's the difference between an owner and a manager? > * How do I invite people to my group? > * How can I change a group member's settings? > * How do I remove a post in my group? > * How do I see a list of bouncing members in my group? > * Why was my request to add or invite members flagged for review? > * How do I approve pending members? > * How do I ban a member from my group? > * I've invited people to my group but they still haven't accepted > the invitation. What can I do? > * How do I transfer ownership of my group to another member? > * Can I have more than one manager or owner of my group? > * How do I export my group's member list? > * How do I make someone a manager of my group? > * How do I see a list of my group's members? > * How do I change permissions for a manager? > * Why was my request to add members converted to invites? > * How do I approve pending messages? > * Why was my request to add members denied? > * I deleted myself as owner and can no longer access my group. > What should I do? > * How can I send someone another invitiation to my group? -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html Use any search engine other than Google till they stop polluting USENET with porn and junk commercial SPAM If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm |
| 21 Apr 2008 16:06:10 |
| Michael Black |
| Re: Hello MODERATOR.? Time to stop the spammers.... |
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, kilowatt wrote: > HELLO, MODERATOR, ? > > Are you there.???? It is time to get rid of handbag, rolex watch > frauds and XXX ads. > Are you ever reading the posts, looks like you are not reading the > topic about managing your members. > Let me guess, you're posting from google? Yes indeed: X-Trace: posting.google.com This is Usenet, which will turn 30 next year. It's a distributed system, with no central server; each newsserver passes messages over to the next one, and so on, originally via phone lines but in more recent years via the internet. google is merely an archive of messages, with a web interface that also allows posting. But they do a lousy job of telling users that, making them believe they are posting to a "google group". INdeed, their interface is now biased in favor of their "google groups", which just then happens to work for Usenet. SOme of the differences are that unless a specific newsgroup is moderated, then there is no moderator. Real newsservers may be keeping some of the junk out, so what you see at google is not what the rest of the world may see. Also, how you see things at google is most definitely not the way the rest of Usenet sees things. Michael |
| 21 Apr 2008 14:48:30 |
| JeffM |
| Re: Hello MODERATOR.? Time to stop the spammers.... |
Michael Black wrote: >[...]google is[...]a web interface [to Usenet] that also allows posting. >But they do a lousy job of telling users that, > Amen. Something like this should be a click-thru requirement. http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:E_t0eevlNNAJ:groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46492%26useful=0%26show_useful=1%26comment=+Terms+Usenet >making them believe they are posting to a "google group". >INdeed, their interface is now biased in favor of their "google groups", > That's arguable. ISTM if Google was truly biased TOWARDS those people accessing Usenet thru Google Groups, they would try hard to make that experience a spam-free one. Folks who use REAL newsreaders know they can filter what they see and, after the recent mega-rash of abuse, many have just batch-plonked ALL Google Groups posters. It's the folks who read Usenet via Google Groups (especially those who don't know about the browser-based filters available) who have the CRAPPIEST Usenet experience --and will (properly) equate that with Google. I just can't see ANY motivation for Google (the Usenet posting portal) to respond in this uncaring manner to spam reports about their rogue users and to permit a spammer to continue to post after a report has been made. |
| 21 Apr 2008 19:22:02 |
| me |
| Re: Hello MODERATOR.? Time to stop the spammers.... |
JeffM <jeffm_@email.com > wrote in news:efb8cba9-f372-422a-be44-d5746bbb1c47@l25g2000prd.googlegroups.com: >Michael Black wrote: >>[...]google is[...]a web interface [to Usenet] that also allows >>posting. But they do a lousy job of telling users that, >> >Amen. Something like this should be a click-thru requirement. >http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:E_t0eevlNNAJ:groups.google.com/supp >ort/bin/answer.py?answer=46492%26useful=0%26show_useful=1%26comment=+Ter >ms+Usenet > >>making them believe they are posting to a "google group". >>INdeed, their interface is now biased in favor of their "google >>groups", >> >That's arguable. ISTM if Google was truly biased >TOWARDS those people accessing Usenet thru Google Groups, >they would try hard to make that experience a spam-free one. > >Folks who use REAL newsreaders know they can filter what they see >and, after the recent mega-rash of abuse, >many have just batch-plonked ALL Google Groups posters. No loss, they just post spam. >It's the folks who read Usenet via Google Groups >(especially those who don't know about the browser-based filters >available) who have the CRAPPIEST Usenet experience >--and will (properly) equate that with Google. > >I just can't see ANY motivation for Google (the Usenet posting portal) >to respond in this uncaring manner >to spam reports about their rogue users >and to permit a spammer to continue to post >after a report has been made. > They want to take it over. With enough spamming people will complain and then they can step in and "regulate" it... ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.comThe #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
| 21 Apr 2008 22:56:43 |
| JeffM |
| Re: Hello MODERATOR.? Time to stop the spammers.... |
>>Michael Black wrote: >>>INdeed, their interface is now biased in favor of their "google groups", >>> >JeffM wrote >>many have just batch-plonked ALL Google Groups posters. >> me wrote: >No loss, they just post spam. > You are a moron. >>I just can't see ANY motivation for Google (the Usenet posting portal) >>to respond in this uncaring manner >>to spam reports about their rogue users >>and to permit a spammer to continue to post >>after a report has been made. >> >They want to take it over. > Again: You are a moron. >With enough spamming people will complain and >then they can step in and "regulate" it... > Do you have any other mindless drivel to post? ...or some details how this would work on a decentralized network? |
| 22 Apr 2008 12:48:23 |
| Eeyore |
| Re: Hello MODERATOR.? Time to stop the spammers.... |
kilowatt wrote: > HELLO, MODERATOR, ? There is no moderator in this group. It is NOT A Google Group, it's USENET. > Are you there.???? It is time to get rid of handbag, rolex watch > frauds and XXX ads. COMPLAIN TO GOOGLE. THEY provide the method by which the spam gets posted. Graham |
| 22 Apr 2008 14:17:38 |
| Michael Black |
| Re: Hello MODERATOR.? Time to stop the spammers.... |
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, JeffM wrote: > Michael Black wrote: >> [...]google is[...]a web interface [to Usenet] that also allows posting. >> But they do a lousy job of telling users that, >> > Amen. Something like this should be a click-thru requirement. > http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:E_t0eevlNNAJ:groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46492%26useful=0%26show_useful=1%26comment=+Terms+Usenet > >> making them believe they are posting to a "google group". >> INdeed, their interface is now biased in favor of their "google groups", >> > That's arguable. ISTM if Google was truly biased > TOWARDS those people accessing Usenet thru Google Groups, > they would try hard to make that experience a spam-free one. > "Biased towards their 'google groups'", as in the groups that are local only to google. The fact that I just confused you is my point. Google uses "google groups" to refer to their own groups, and their access to Usenet, and use the very same interface for both. That's what muddles it. When google bought up the dejanews archive, "google groups" only meant Usenet. But then they added their own "google groups" that started muddling things. I can't remember if those came with the arrival of the new interface, "google groups 2" or somewhat before. But when they introduced "google groups 2", the interface, the default became no quoting of what you are replying to (and hiding the bit about quoting some level down). A web based forum has less need of quoting since you can instantly scroll up the webpage and find the message being replied to. But that doesn't necessarily apply to usenet. The hiding of email addresses is another thing that's biased towards their "google groups". Given that the rest of the world can see those email address, and archive them if desired and even parse them to make up an email spam list, there's not a lot of good reason to hide the email addresses. But, the "google group" users don't have their messages leaving google, so the hiding of their email addresses at google actually does something. When "google groups 2" was introduced, they actually forget (or didn't care) that people could suddenly reply to old messages, not just months old but even decades old. And combined with the lack of default quoting, that caused a spew of replies to messages that nobody could find the originals to. Then it became clear they were replying to really old messages. Again, that's less of a consideration for "google groups", indeed given they were just started at the time, any message could be current rather than decades old. Google eventually reverted to the previous policy for Usenet, of not allowing posting to messages older than 4 weeks old, but it took a few weeks at least. They wouldn't have made that mistake if they were thinking of Usenet rather than their own "google groups". So long as google treats their local groups as if equal to Usenet, the muddling will continue, and the blundering is just so much easier. Michael |
| 23 Apr 2008 04:21:46 |
| Mark Zenier |
| Re: Hello MODERATOR.? Time to stop the spammers.... |
In article <da820c3a-298c-4d63-8b44-ae77438d83a3@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com >, kilowatt <nosparts@okanagan.net > wrote: > >HELLO, MODERATOR, ? There isn't one. On the google page display there's a link, "This is A Usenet Newsgroup" or something close to that. follow it. Get a clue. Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com) |