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| 07 May 2008 10:52:01 |
| bart |
| ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
Lattice is holding a webcast today, Wednesday, May 7th, on our latest version of our FPGA software design tools "ispLEVER 7.1 FPGA Design Tool Technical Rollout." The presenter will be Troy Scott, from our software marketing group. If you're interested, the event takes place live at 11am Pacific, 18:00 GMT. In addition, you will be able to view this webcast archive on-demand, at your convenience, starting a few hours after the live event takes place. You can register by clicking: http://www.latticesemi.com/corporate/webcasts/isplever7.1fpgadesigntool.cfm Bart Borosky, Lattice |
| 07 May 2008 11:11:53 |
| John Larkin |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
On Wed, 7 May 2008 10:52:01 -0700 (PDT), bart <bart.borosky@latticesemi.com > wrote: >Lattice is holding a webcast today, Wednesday, May 7th, on our latest >version of our FPGA software design tools "ispLEVER 7.1 FPGA Design >Tool Technical Rollout." The presenter will be Troy Scott, from our >software marketing group. > >If you're interested, the event takes place live at 11am Pacific, >18:00 GMT. In addition, you will be able to view this webcast archive >on-demand, at your convenience, starting a few hours after the live >event takes place. > >You can register by clicking: >http://www.latticesemi.com/corporate/webcasts/isplever7.1fpgadesigntool.cfm > >Bart Borosky, Lattice To Lattice: We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. Now that you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. To the group: Whenever anybody spams us, please 1. Blackball them as a vendor 2. Say bad things about their companies and products, preferably with lots of google-searchable keywords. John |
| 07 May 2008 12:19:40 |
| John_H |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
John Larkin wrote: > > To Lattice: > > We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. Now that > you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. > > > To the group: > > Whenever anybody spams us, please > > 1. Blackball them as a vendor > > 2. Say bad things about their companies and products, preferably with > lots of google-searchable keywords. > > John Was this really necessary? If there were technical webcasts from any of the big vendors, I'd like to know about them though preferably more than 8 minutes beforehand. If the posts of this nature got to be more than a couple a month from any one source I'd agree with the spam catagorization but it isn't that frequent. I'm disappointed that you had problems with them in the past and won't trust them for future designs because of your history; competition is almost always good. But is it reason to be publicly vocal? Kill-lists are easy to manage if bart's messages offend you. - John_H |
| 08 May 2008 07:37:44 |
| Jim Granville |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
John Larkin wrote: > On Wed, 7 May 2008 10:52:01 -0700 (PDT), bart > <bart.borosky@latticesemi.com> wrote: > > >>Lattice is holding a webcast today, Wednesday, May 7th, on our latest >>version of our FPGA software design tools "ispLEVER 7.1 FPGA Design >>Tool Technical Rollout." The presenter will be Troy Scott, from our >>software marketing group. >> >>If you're interested, the event takes place live at 11am Pacific, >>18:00 GMT. In addition, you will be able to view this webcast archive >>on-demand, at your convenience, starting a few hours after the live >>event takes place. >> >>You can register by clicking: >>http://www.latticesemi.com/corporate/webcasts/isplever7.1fpgadesigntool.cfm >> >>Bart Borosky, Lattice > > > > > To Lattice: > > We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. Now that > you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. General Comment: I've not found complex Sw yet that does not have some bugs/blindspots. I've also improved (pretty much) all the engineering SW I use, by giving usable errata reports to the supplier(s). 'dinky' I have no idea about, does not sound like an engineering term ? Do all your design decisions have the same carefull reasoning basis ? What Bart could do is include a link to the Tools Revision History, so potential (and past) users can see what has been changed. -jg |
| 07 May 2008 16:21:26 |
| John Larkin |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
On Wed, 7 May 2008 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT), John_H <newsgroup@johnhandwork.com > wrote: >John Larkin wrote: >> >> To Lattice: >> >> We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. Now that >> you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. >> >> >> To the group: >> >> Whenever anybody spams us, please >> >> 1. Blackball them as a vendor >> >> 2. Say bad things about their companies and products, preferably with >> lots of google-searchable keywords. >> >> John > >Was this really necessary? > >If there were technical webcasts from any of the big vendors, I'd like >to know about them though preferably more than 8 minutes beforehand. >If the posts of this nature got to be more than a couple a month from >any one source I'd agree with the spam catagorization but it isn't >that frequent. > >I'm disappointed that you had problems with them in the past and won't >trust them for future designs because of your history; competition is >almost always good. But is it reason to be publicly vocal? > >Kill-lists are easy to manage if bart's messages offend you. > >- John_H If we don't discourage commercial posts, newsgroups will be flooded with them. I can't kill-file the tens of thousands of companies who would spam newsgroups if they thought it would pay off. So let's make sure it *doesn't* pay off. If they want to advertise, let them pay for it somewhere else. John |
| 07 May 2008 16:22:41 |
| John Larkin |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
On Thu, 08 May 2008 07:37:44 +1200, Jim Granville <no.spam@designtools.maps.co.nz > wrote: >John Larkin wrote: > >> On Wed, 7 May 2008 10:52:01 -0700 (PDT), bart >> <bart.borosky@latticesemi.com> wrote: >> >> >>>Lattice is holding a webcast today, Wednesday, May 7th, on our latest >>>version of our FPGA software design tools "ispLEVER 7.1 FPGA Design >>>Tool Technical Rollout." The presenter will be Troy Scott, from our >>>software marketing group. >>> >>>If you're interested, the event takes place live at 11am Pacific, >>>18:00 GMT. In addition, you will be able to view this webcast archive >>>on-demand, at your convenience, starting a few hours after the live >>>event takes place. >>> >>>You can register by clicking: >>>http://www.latticesemi.com/corporate/webcasts/isplever7.1fpgadesigntool.cfm >>> >>>Bart Borosky, Lattice >> >> >> >> >> To Lattice: >> >> We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. Now that >> you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. > >General Comment: >I've not found complex Sw yet that does not have some bugs/blindspots. >I've also improved (pretty much) all the engineering SW I use, by >giving usable errata reports to the supplier(s). > >'dinky' I have no idea about, does not sound like an engineering term ? > >Do all your design decisions have the same carefull reasoning basis ? > >What Bart could do is include a link to the Tools Revision History, >so potential (and past) users can see what has been changed. > >-jg > > What Bart could do is advertise in advertising venues. Usenet ain't one. John |
| 07 May 2008 23:58:34 |
| Rich Grise |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
On Thu, 08 May 2008 07:37:44 +1200, Jim Granville wrote: > Do all your design decisions have the same carefull reasoning basis ? Does all your writing show the same careful editing? >:-> Cheers! Rich |
| 07 May 2008 17:35:23 |
| CBFalconer |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
John Larkin wrote: > bart <bart.borosky@latticesemi.com> wrote: > >> Lattice is holding a webcast today, Wednesday, May 7th, on our >> latest version of our FPGA software design tools "ispLEVER 7.1 >> FPGA Design Tool Technical Rollout." The presenter will be Troy >> Scott, from our software marketing group. >> >> If you're interested, the event takes place live at 11am Pacific, >> 18:00 GMT. In addition, you will be able to view this webcast >> archive on-demand, at your convenience, starting a few hours >> after the live event takes place. >> >> You can register by clicking: >> http://www.latticesemi.com/corporate/webcasts/isplever7.1fpgadesigntool.cfm > > We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. > Now that you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. You're wrong. Proper announcements are quite topical. The quality may be questionable, and that is also suitable for discussion. Of course, making the announcement less than one hour before the event begins is indicative of poor thinking. Even 24 hours notice would be cutting it close. -- [mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net) [page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net Try the download section. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 07 May 2008 17:19:31 |
| BobW |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com > wrote in message news:o1e424d2h2uldtu4qm4589v667lu96hip8@4ax.com... > On Wed, 7 May 2008 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT), John_H > <newsgroup@johnhandwork.com> wrote: > >>John Larkin wrote: >>> >>> To Lattice: >>> >>> We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. Now that >>> you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. >>> >>> >>> To the group: >>> >>> Whenever anybody spams us, please >>> >>> 1. Blackball them as a vendor >>> >>> 2. Say bad things about their companies and products, preferably with >>> lots of google-searchable keywords. >>> >>> John >> >>Was this really necessary? >> >>If there were technical webcasts from any of the big vendors, I'd like >>to know about them though preferably more than 8 minutes beforehand. >>If the posts of this nature got to be more than a couple a month from >>any one source I'd agree with the spam catagorization but it isn't >>that frequent. >> >>I'm disappointed that you had problems with them in the past and won't >>trust them for future designs because of your history; competition is >>almost always good. But is it reason to be publicly vocal? >> >>Kill-lists are easy to manage if bart's messages offend you. >> >>- John_H > > > If we don't discourage commercial posts, newsgroups will be flooded > with them. I can't kill-file the tens of thousands of companies who > would spam newsgroups if they thought it would pay off. So let's make > sure it *doesn't* pay off. > > If they want to advertise, let them pay for it somewhere else. > > > John > For what it's worth, I agree with John. It's a real shame that we, now, have to go out of our way to filter commercial and sexual posts. There are proper places for both of those. Usenet is not one of them, in my opinion. Bob -- == NOTE: I automatically delete all Google Group posts due to uncontrolled SPAM == |
| 07 May 2008 18:19:07 |
| John Larkin |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
On Wed, 07 May 2008 17:35:23 -0400, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com > wrote: >John Larkin wrote: >> bart <bart.borosky@latticesemi.com> wrote: >> >>> Lattice is holding a webcast today, Wednesday, May 7th, on our >>> latest version of our FPGA software design tools "ispLEVER 7.1 >>> FPGA Design Tool Technical Rollout." The presenter will be Troy >>> Scott, from our software marketing group. >>> >>> If you're interested, the event takes place live at 11am Pacific, >>> 18:00 GMT. In addition, you will be able to view this webcast >>> archive on-demand, at your convenience, starting a few hours >>> after the live event takes place. >>> >>> You can register by clicking: >>> http://www.latticesemi.com/corporate/webcasts/isplever7.1fpgadesigntool.cfm >> >> We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. >> Now that you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. > >You're wrong. Proper announcements are quite topical. The quality >may be questionable, and that is also suitable for discussion. Of >course, making the announcement less than one hour before the event >begins is indicative of poor thinking. Even 24 hours notice would >be cutting it close. Since s.e.d. is unmoderated, there is no real right or wrong. We each get one vote. I intend to say bad things about companies that spam the group, and not buy their junk, and I hope that others will act similarly. You do whatever pleases you. I believe the charter, which has no force, does recommend against commercial posts. John |
| 08 May 2008 22:35:54 |
| David L. Jones |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
"BobW" <nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner.com > wrote in message news:q9KdnYE_8uqU2r_VnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@giganews.com... > > "John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in > message news:o1e424d2h2uldtu4qm4589v667lu96hip8@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 7 May 2008 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT), John_H >> <newsgroup@johnhandwork.com> wrote: >> >>>John Larkin wrote: >>>> >>>> To Lattice: >>>> >>>> We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. Now that >>>> you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. >>>> >>>> >>>> To the group: >>>> >>>> Whenever anybody spams us, please >>>> >>>> 1. Blackball them as a vendor >>>> >>>> 2. Say bad things about their companies and products, preferably with >>>> lots of google-searchable keywords. >>>> >>>> John >>> >>>Was this really necessary? >>> >>>If there were technical webcasts from any of the big vendors, I'd like >>>to know about them though preferably more than 8 minutes beforehand. >>>If the posts of this nature got to be more than a couple a month from >>>any one source I'd agree with the spam catagorization but it isn't >>>that frequent. >>> >>>I'm disappointed that you had problems with them in the past and won't >>>trust them for future designs because of your history; competition is >>>almost always good. But is it reason to be publicly vocal? >>> >>>Kill-lists are easy to manage if bart's messages offend you. >>> >>>- John_H >> >> >> If we don't discourage commercial posts, newsgroups will be flooded >> with them. I can't kill-file the tens of thousands of companies who >> would spam newsgroups if they thought it would pay off. So let's make >> sure it *doesn't* pay off. >> >> If they want to advertise, let them pay for it somewhere else. >> >> >> John >> > > For what it's worth, I agree with John. > > It's a real shame that we, now, have to go out of our way to filter > commercial and sexual posts. There are proper places for both of those. > Usenet is not one of them, in my opinion. Come on guys, get over it, really. The heading clearly had "ANNC:" and what it was about clearly stated, so the OP did the right thing. It only takes a split second to scan the header to see if you are interested. If you aren't interested then you shouldn't have even opened it. I'd consider this ON TOPIC and not spam as it was a one-off announcement to the correct groups with the correct formatting. Some people might very well be interested, this is a professional design group with many FPGA designers afer all. Dave. |
| 08 May 2008 06:22:45 |
| rickman |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
On May 8, 8:35 am, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com > wrote: > "BobW" <nimby_NEEDS...@roadrunner.com> wrote in message > > news:q9KdnYE_8uqU2r_VnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@giganews.com... > > > > > > > "John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in > > messagenews:o1e424d2h2uldtu4qm4589v667lu96hip8@4ax.com... > >> On Wed, 7 May 2008 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT), John_H > >> <newsgr...@johnhandwork.com> wrote: > > >>>John Larkin wrote: > > >>>> To Lattice: > > >>>> We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. Now that > >>>> you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. > > >>>> To the group: > > >>>> Whenever anybody spams us, please > > >>>> 1. Blackball them as a vendor > > >>>> 2. Say bad things about their companies and products, preferably with > >>>> lots of google-searchable keywords. > > >>>> John > > >>>Was this really necessary? > > >>>If there were technical webcasts from any of the big vendors, I'd like > >>>to know about them though preferably more than 8 minutes beforehand. > >>>If the posts of this nature got to be more than a couple a month from > >>>any one source I'd agree with the spam catagorization but it isn't > >>>that frequent. > > >>>I'm disappointed that you had problems with them in the past and won't > >>>trust them for future designs because of your history; competition is > >>>almost always good. But is it reason to be publicly vocal? > > >>>Kill-lists are easy to manage if bart's messages offend you. > > >>>- John_H > > >> If we don't discourage commercial posts, newsgroups will be flooded > >> with them. I can't kill-file the tens of thousands of companies who > >> would spam newsgroups if they thought it would pay off. So let's make > >> sure it *doesn't* pay off. > > >> If they want to advertise, let them pay for it somewhere else. > > >> John > > > For what it's worth, I agree with John. > > > It's a real shame that we, now, have to go out of our way to filter > > commercial and sexual posts. There are proper places for both of those. > > Usenet is not one of them, in my opinion. > > Come on guys, get over it, really. > The heading clearly had "ANNC:" and what it was about clearly stated, so the > OP did the right thing. > It only takes a split second to scan the header to see if you are > interested. If you aren't interested then you shouldn't have even opened it. > I'd consider this ON TOPIC and not spam as it was a one-off announcement to > the correct groups with the correct formatting. > Some people might very well be interested, this is a professional design > group with many FPGA designers afer all. > > Dave. I have to agree with John L on this one. I don't think we should in any way encourage commercial posts here. The issue is quantity. If we are happy with one post, why not 100? There are a couple of groups I visit that have been virtually ruined by advertising. No, it is not on topic advertising, but I don't think that is the point. The quantity is the problem. I can see some groups getting hundreds or thousands of on topic posts a day if all vendors did this. Can you imagine how flooded comp.arch.embedded would be if every maker of MCUs, memory, I/O chips, etc. posted just one message a day? If you like these messages and want to receive them, why not get on the vendor's email list? I'm sure they will only be too happy to directly email you with all sorts of information. Isn't that what opt- in mail lists are for??? |
| 08 May 2008 06:37:48 |
| rickman |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
On May 7, 2:11 pm, John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com > wrote: > On Wed, 7 May 2008 10:52:01 -0700 (PDT), bart > > <bart.boro...@latticesemi.com> wrote: > >Lattice is holding a webcast today, Wednesday, May 7th, on our latest > >version of our FPGA software design tools "ispLEVER 7.1 FPGA Design > >Tool Technical Rollout." The presenter will be Troy Scott, from our > >software marketing group. > > >If you're interested, the event takes place live at 11am Pacific, > >18:00 GMT. In addition, you will be able to view this webcast archive > >on-demand, at your convenience, starting a few hours after the live > >event takes place. > > >You can register by clicking: > >http://www.latticesemi.com/corporate/webcasts/isplever7.1fpgadesignto... > > >Bart Borosky, Lattice > > To Lattice: > > We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. Now that > you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. > > To the group: > > Whenever anybody spams us, please > > 1. Blackball them as a vendor > > 2. Say bad things about their companies and products, preferably with > lots of google-searchable keywords. > > John I didn't realize that this thread is cross posted to... five different groups. I guess we get to read it more than once as well. I can't exactly blackball Lattice. I just designed in one of their parts because it was almost the only part that would suit all of the requirements. Altera has their new zero power PLDs (it's about time guys) and Xilinx is still stuck in the 90's with their near total lack of Flash based FPGAs. (yeah, I know they have a dual die spartan flash chip, but they blew the packaging). So Lattice may not be perfect, (is anyone?) but I can't blacklist them because they posted to a newsgroup I read. Rick |
| 08 May 2008 15:00:31 |
| ehsjr |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
CBFalconer wrote: > John Larkin wrote: > >>bart <bart.borosky@latticesemi.com> wrote: >> >> >>>Lattice is holding a webcast today, Wednesday, May 7th, on our >>>latest version of our FPGA software design tools "ispLEVER 7.1 >>>FPGA Design Tool Technical Rollout." The presenter will be Troy >>>Scott, from our software marketing group. >>> >>>If you're interested, the event takes place live at 11am Pacific, >>>18:00 GMT. In addition, you will be able to view this webcast >>>archive on-demand, at your convenience, starting a few hours >>>after the live event takes place. >>> >>>You can register by clicking: >>> http://www.latticesemi.com/corporate/webcasts/isplever7.1fpgadesigntool.cfm >> >>We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. >>Now that you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. > > > You're wrong. Proper announcements are quite topical. The quality > may be questionable, and that is also suitable for discussion. Of > course, making the announcement less than one hour before the event > begins is indicative of poor thinking. Even 24 hours notice would > be cutting it close. > It's a question of opinion, not of fact, so it's not a matter of right or wrong. Your observation "Proper announcements are quite topical." supports the "it is not spam" point of view. As you point out, Lattice (or at least its representative Mr. Borosky) has not given a lot of thought to getting the notice out in a "proper" manner. By "proper", I mean where and when it would do Lattice the most good. That supports the "it is spam" point of view. For the record, I agree with JL. Posted here as it was it is spam, in my opinion. Ed |
| 08 May 2008 10:53:36 |
| Robert Miles |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com > wrote in message news:4822f3a7$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au... > > "BobW" <nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message > news:q9KdnYE_8uqU2r_VnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@giganews.com... >> >> "John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >> message news:o1e424d2h2uldtu4qm4589v667lu96hip8@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT), John_H >>> <newsgroup@johnhandwork.com> wrote: >>> >>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> To Lattice: >>>>> >>>>> We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. Now that >>>>> you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To the group: >>>>> >>>>> Whenever anybody spams us, please >>>>> >>>>> 1. Blackball them as a vendor >>>>> >>>>> 2. Say bad things about their companies and products, preferably with >>>>> lots of google-searchable keywords. >>>>> >>>>> John >>>> >>>>Was this really necessary? >>>> >>>>If there were technical webcasts from any of the big vendors, I'd like >>>>to know about them though preferably more than 8 minutes beforehand. >>>>If the posts of this nature got to be more than a couple a month from >>>>any one source I'd agree with the spam catagorization but it isn't >>>>that frequent. >>>> >>>>I'm disappointed that you had problems with them in the past and won't >>>>trust them for future designs because of your history; competition is >>>>almost always good. But is it reason to be publicly vocal? >>>> >>>>Kill-lists are easy to manage if bart's messages offend you. >>>> >>>>- John_H >>> >>> >>> If we don't discourage commercial posts, newsgroups will be flooded >>> with them. I can't kill-file the tens of thousands of companies who >>> would spam newsgroups if they thought it would pay off. So let's make >>> sure it *doesn't* pay off. >>> >>> If they want to advertise, let them pay for it somewhere else. >>> >>> >>> John >>> >> >> For what it's worth, I agree with John. >> >> It's a real shame that we, now, have to go out of our way to filter >> commercial and sexual posts. There are proper places for both of those. >> Usenet is not one of them, in my opinion. > > Come on guys, get over it, really. > The heading clearly had "ANNC:" and what it was about clearly stated, so > the OP did the right thing. > It only takes a split second to scan the header to see if you are > interested. If you aren't interested then you shouldn't have even opened > it. > I'd consider this ON TOPIC and not spam as it was a one-off announcement > to the correct groups with the correct formatting. > Some people might very well be interested, this is a professional design > group with many FPGA designers afer all. > > Dave. The message was crossposted to five newsgroups, not just one. Are the people who say accept it in the same newsgroup as the one who say don't? |
| 08 May 2008 09:11:13 |
| John Larkin |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
On Thu, 8 May 2008 10:53:36 -0500, "Robert Miles" <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net > wrote: > >"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message >news:4822f3a7$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au... >> >> "BobW" <nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message >> news:q9KdnYE_8uqU2r_VnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@giganews.com... >>> >>> "John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in >>> message news:o1e424d2h2uldtu4qm4589v667lu96hip8@4ax.com... >>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 12:19:40 -0700 (PDT), John_H >>>> <newsgroup@johnhandwork.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> To Lattice: >>>>>> >>>>>> We dumped Lattice over buggy compilers and dinky performance. Now that >>>>>> you're spamming our group, I'll make the ban permanent. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To the group: >>>>>> >>>>>> Whenever anybody spams us, please >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Blackball them as a vendor >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Say bad things about their companies and products, preferably with >>>>>> lots of google-searchable keywords. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>> >>>>>Was this really necessary? >>>>> >>>>>If there were technical webcasts from any of the big vendors, I'd like >>>>>to know about them though preferably more than 8 minutes beforehand. >>>>>If the posts of this nature got to be more than a couple a month from >>>>>any one source I'd agree with the spam catagorization but it isn't >>>>>that frequent. >>>>> >>>>>I'm disappointed that you had problems with them in the past and won't >>>>>trust them for future designs because of your history; competition is >>>>>almost always good. But is it reason to be publicly vocal? >>>>> >>>>>Kill-lists are easy to manage if bart's messages offend you. >>>>> >>>>>- John_H >>>> >>>> >>>> If we don't discourage commercial posts, newsgroups will be flooded >>>> with them. I can't kill-file the tens of thousands of companies who >>>> would spam newsgroups if they thought it would pay off. So let's make >>>> sure it *doesn't* pay off. >>>> >>>> If they want to advertise, let them pay for it somewhere else. >>>> >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>> >>> For what it's worth, I agree with John. >>> >>> It's a real shame that we, now, have to go out of our way to filter >>> commercial and sexual posts. There are proper places for both of those. >>> Usenet is not one of them, in my opinion. >> >> Come on guys, get over it, really. >> The heading clearly had "ANNC:" and what it was about clearly stated, so >> the OP did the right thing. >> It only takes a split second to scan the header to see if you are >> interested. If you aren't interested then you shouldn't have even opened >> it. >> I'd consider this ON TOPIC and not spam as it was a one-off announcement >> to the correct groups with the correct formatting. >> Some people might very well be interested, this is a professional design >> group with many FPGA designers afer all. >> >> Dave. >The message was crossposted to five newsgroups, not just one. Are the >people who say accept it in the same newsgroup as the one who say don't? > OK, now imagine every seminar, every call for papers, every new product announcement, every investors conference call, and every new goofy marketing idea being crossposted to five newsgroups, alongside the offers for replica watches, sneakers, and discount drugs and porn. We need to discourage commercial posts. John |
| 09 May 2008 07:20:41 |
| Jim Granville |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
Robert Miles wrote: > > The message was crossposted to five newsgroups, not just one. Are the > people who say accept it in the same newsgroup as the one who say don't? I'd agree that spanning 5 groups was on the lower end of the IQ scale. The most relevent group would be comp.arch.fpga -jg |
| 08 May 2008 13:24:56 |
| CBFalconer |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
Robert Miles wrote: > "David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message > ... snip ... > >> Come on guys, get over it, really. The heading clearly had >> "ANNC:" and what it was about clearly stated, so the OP did the >> right thing. It only takes a split second to scan the header to >> see if you are interested. If you aren't interested then you >> shouldn't have even opened it. >> >> I'd consider this ON TOPIC and not spam as it was a one-off >> announcement to the correct groups with the correct formatting. >> >> Some people might very well be interested, this is a professional >> design group with many FPGA designers afer all. > > The message was crossposted to five newsgroups, not just one. Are > the people who say accept it in the same newsgroup as the one who > say don't? I accepted it, and I am posting in comp.arch.embedded. Please snip your quotes. -- [mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net) [page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net Try the download section. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 08 May 2008 13:29:29 |
| CBFalconer |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
John Larkin wrote: > "Robert Miles" <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote: >> "David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message >> ... snip ... >> >>> I'd consider this ON TOPIC and not spam as it was a one-off >>> announcement to the correct groups with the correct formatting. >>> Some people might very well be interested, this is a >>> professional design group with many FPGA designers afer all. >> >> The message was crossposted to five newsgroups, not just one. >> Are the people who say accept it in the same newsgroup as the >> one who say don't? > > OK, now imagine every seminar, every call for papers, every new > product announcement, every investors conference call, and every > new goofy marketing idea being crossposted to five newsgroups, > alongside the offers for replica watches, sneakers, and discount > drugs and porn. > > We need to discourage commercial posts. But this was not a commercial post. It was an announcement of something of possible interest to all participants on those newsgroups. It should have had a follow-up setting also. Please snip the quotes on your replies. -- [mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net) [page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net Try the download section. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 08 May 2008 18:09:01 |
| John Larkin |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
On Thu, 08 May 2008 13:29:29 -0400, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com > wrote: >John Larkin wrote: >> "Robert Miles" <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote: >>> "David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> >... snip ... >>> >>>> I'd consider this ON TOPIC and not spam as it was a one-off >>>> announcement to the correct groups with the correct formatting. >>>> Some people might very well be interested, this is a >>>> professional design group with many FPGA designers afer all. >>> >>> The message was crossposted to five newsgroups, not just one. >>> Are the people who say accept it in the same newsgroup as the >>> one who say don't? >> >> OK, now imagine every seminar, every call for papers, every new >> product announcement, every investors conference call, and every >> new goofy marketing idea being crossposted to five newsgroups, >> alongside the offers for replica watches, sneakers, and discount >> drugs and porn. >> >> We need to discourage commercial posts. > >But this was not a commercial post. It was an announcement of >something of possible interest to all participants on those >newsgroups. Well, since we all wear shoes, and most of us like sex, all the sneaker and porn ads are of possible interest to us. > >Please snip the quotes on your replies. Feel free to snip whatever you like. John |
| 08 May 2008 21:46:21 |
| CBFalconer |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
John Larkin wrote: > CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote: > ... snip ... > >> Please snip the quotes on your replies. > > Feel free to snip whatever you like. The point of that request is to avoid burdoning all group users with the burdon of paging down over irrelevant material, and to reduce the overall load on the Usenet system. -- [mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net) [page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net Try the download section. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 09 May 2008 07:37:44 |
| BobW |
| Re: ANNC: FPGA Design Software Webcast |
"CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:4823ACED.97C41D24@yahoo.com... > John Larkin wrote: >> CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > ... snip ... >> >>> Please snip the quotes on your replies. >> >> Feel free to snip whatever you like. > > The point of that request is to avoid burdoning all group users > with the burdon of paging down over irrelevant material, and to > reduce the overall load on the Usenet system. > > -- > [mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net) I get it, Chuck. It's okay to overload Usenet with spam but it's not okay to overload Usenet by not trimming one's replies. You should run for president. Next week, perhaps, you'll explain how to reconcile the Arabs and the Jews. Bob -- == NOTE: I automatically delete all Google Group posts due to uncontrolled SPAM == |